Question Number One
MR. WALLACE: Mayor Giuliani, I’m going to give you another 30 seconds to actually answer my question. (Laughter, applause.)
They say that you are pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control; you supported Mario Cuomo for governor over George Pataki.
Are those the stands of a true conservative, sir?
MR. GIULIANI: I, according to George Will, ran the most conservative government in the last 50 years in New York City. I look for ways in which we can come together.
I think we can agree, all of us on this stage, that we should seek reductions in abortion. I ultimately do believe in a woman’s right of choice, but I think that there are ways in which we can reduce abortions. Abortions went down 16 percent when I was the mayor. Adoptions went up 133 percent during the eight years that I was mayor, compared to the prior eight years. So there are ways in which we can work together and achieve results that we all want.
Question Number Two
MR. GOLER: You have said that you personally hate abortion but support a woman’s right to choose. Governor Huckabee says that’s like saying, “I hate slavery, but people can go ahead and practice it.” Tell me why he’s wrong.
MR. GIULIANI: Well, there is no circumstances under which I could possibly imagine anyone choosing slavery or supporting slavery. There are people, millions and millions of Americans, who are as of good conscience as we are, who make a different choice about abortion. And I think in a country where you want to keep government out of people’s lives, or government out of people’s lives from the point of view of coercion, you have to respect that. There are things that you can oppose, things you can be against; and then you can come to the conclusion, in the kind of democracy we have, the kind of society that we have, and the kind of society we have where we want to keep government out of people’s personal lives, that you can respect other people’s view on this. And I think everyone on this stage, including most Democrats, could probably very, very usefully spend a lot of time figuring out how we can reduce abortion.
It’s going to take a while for the courts to figure out what to do about this.
And while we’re looking at that, we should do what I did in New York, which is to try to reduce abortions as much as you can, try to increase adoptions.
Giuliani again openly advanced his pro-abortion views during the second Republican debate. Giuliani continues to argue that abortions decreased during his time as mayor. As I have stated previously, it does not matter if abortions decreased while Giuliani was mayor. It only matters if Giuliani did something while he was mayor that decreased the abortion rate, and there is no evidence that he did any such thing while he was mayor.
Giuliani is next asked about the analogy to slavery. Giuliani demonstrates his own unbelievable incompetence by stating that “there is no circumstances under which I could possibly imagine anyone choosing slavery or supporting slavery.” Did Giuliani perhaps by any chance ever take a class in American History? Did he never read anything about the national leaders of the United States that at one point owned slaves? Did he read nothing about that civil war that was fought over slavery? There obviously were times in American History where massive portions of the United States chose slavery. The fact that a civil war was fought over slavery demonstrates that it was probably even more divisive than abortion as a political issue at the time. If we are going to give individual choice to people about whether to kill their young because it is a controversial issue, then there would have been all the more reason to give people the choice to own slaves because that was apparently an even more controversial issue.
Giuliani must be rejected as a candidate. There is no issue more important than abortion. Every year 1.3 million unborn children are murdered in the United States. That is equivalent to a terrorist attack with a nuclear weapon on a U.S. city every year. In fact, abortion is unquestionably the greatest security threat to the United States. Islamic terrorist have only successfully attacked U.S. territory once, and during the same year that the 9/11 terrorist attacks occurred, 433 times more people were killed by abortions than by the terrorist attack, and the impact of abortion was not just a one time event but continues constantly from year to year.
Some people claim that Giuliani should be supported because he will appoint strict constructionist judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade. During the past three pro-life administrations, three justices were appointed to the Supreme Court who turned out to be supporters of Roe. If pro-life presidents have this bad of a record appointing judges, what can we expect from a person who openly admits that he supports abortion and does not care about the abortion issue. Although, George W. Bush publicly states that he does not have a litmus test for judges, the fact that he is pro-life gives him more of a motivation to find judges who are going to oppose Roe, and it makes him more willing to fight a political battle for those judges. A person who is pro-abortion has the opposite incentive. Giuliani will have the incentive to find judges who are strict constructionists but who will likely support Roe because of stare decisis.
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